CfP: Programmatic Interfaces for Web Applications

August 11th, 2011  |  Published in call for papers, design, REST, web  |  Bookmark on

Tomas Vitvar, Cesare Pautasso, and I are co-editing an IEEE Internet Computing special issue on “Programmatic Interfaces for Web Applications.” See the full call for papers for details, but if you’re working on or have developed an app-to-app interface for your web application that you think is exemplary, please consider submitting an article about it. Submissions are due Nov. 1, but by Oct. 15 please email us a brief description of what you plan to submit.

RESTful Web Services Development Checklist

November 1st, 2008  |  Published in column, coupling, design, distributed systems, HTTP, REST, services  |  Bookmark on

My Nov./Dec. Internet Computing column is now available. It’s entitled RESTful Web Services Development Checklist and as its name implies, it covers some of the primary areas developers need to focus on to write good RESTful web services. These areas are:

  • Resources and their URIs
  • Applications and Hypermedia
  • Representations and Media Types
  • Methods
  • Conditional GET

Regarding the “Applications and Hypermedia” area, I feel Roy Fielding’s pain that many efforts labeled as being RESTful seem to completely ignore the hypermedia constraint. I believe many developers tend to miss this constraint because they’re so used to using libraries and frameworks that offer lots of entry points, and having knowledge of those entry points in the client normally isn’t that bad since the client and library/framework are tightly coupled into the same address space anyway. In a distributed system, though, this definitely does not hold true; when the client knows a bunch of entry points into the service, it ties the client to that service and inhibits their independent evolution.

Anyway, please read the column and let me know what you think, and thanks again to Stefan Tilkov for his helpful review of the draft.

Coincidentally I also feel Roy’s pain when it comes to writing about REST. He states:

I don’t try to tell them exactly what to do because, quite frankly, I don’t have anywhere near enough knowledge of their specific context to make such a decision.

So, when you find it hard to understand what I have written, please don’t think of it as talking above your head or just too philosophical to be worth your time. I am writing this way because I think the subject deserves a particular form of precision. Instead, take the time to look up the terms. Think of it as an opportunity to learn something new, not because I said so, but because it will do you some personal good to better understand the depth of our field.


Obviously, Roy is the ultimate REST authority, given that he defined it, so I’m not at all claiming to be anywhere near as authoritative about it as he is, yet I’ve also experienced what he says above. For example, consider this informal review of my columns I received a few months ago in a comment on someone else’s blog:

The articles of yours that I’ve read are…amorphous to me. They speak in generalities. I haven’t read an article where you sit down and write the same service using both REST and RPC and compare the two. When you speak in generalities, we can’t objectively evaluate any of the specific trade-offs between approaches… Arguments that happen at too abstract a level can’t go anywhere, because our positions aren’t specific enough for anyone to evaluate anybody else’s claims.

In other words, “since your columns don’t do my thinking and experimentation for me, they’re useless to me.” Hmm. Maybe I’m just old school, but I’d much rather understand mathematics than require someone to hold my hand while I blindly punch buttons on a calculator. In other words, as the old proverb goes, I’d much rather try to teach you to fish so you can feed yourself. As I state in this new column:

Whether developers of RESTful HTTP-based services write their code in IDEs or with simple text editors, and regardless of which programming languages they use, they must understand REST and HTTP fundamentals to succeed.

Spot On

July 28th, 2008  |  Published in design, distributed systems, REST, RPC, SOA, WS-*  |  Bookmark on

Eric Newcomer gives us his take on my recent articles (1, 2, 3, 4) and blog postings (1, 2, 3, 4) about RPC, REST, and programming languages:

Anyway, after carefully reading the article and blog entries, I believe Steve is not against RPC per se. He wants people to think before just automatically using it because it’s convenient.


Also spot on are the following postings:

The beauty common to all these postings is the breadth, depth, and variety of thinking and reasoning they present. There’s a lot to read, but if you’re interested in critical thinking about the design and construction of distributed systems I encourage you to read them all the way through, including the comments, and to follow the links they offer as well.

Lying Through Their Teeth: Easy vs. Simple

January 14th, 2008  |  Published in CORBA, design, distributed systems, REST, WS-*  |  Bookmark on

I have to say that I agree with Ryan Tomayko on this one.

Among other things, Ryan touches on one of the favorite assertions of the REST detractors, which is that REST can’t be effective without an interface/service/resource definition language. After all, without such a language, how can you generate code, which in turn will ease the development of the distributed system by making it all look like a local system? Not surprisingly, the first comment on Ryan’s blog entry is exactly along these lines.

As I’ve been saying for years, trying to reverse-map your programming language classes into distributed services, such as via Special Object Annotations, is an attempt to turn local design artifacts into distributed ones, which we learned long ago is just plain wrong. You often end up paying for such shortcuts in areas such as reliability, flexibility, extensibility, versioning, reusability, and especially scalability.

Back in the halcyon days of CORBA, we generated code from OMG IDL, but IDL is not a local design artifact. OMG IDL was designed from Day One to define distributed systems (though we did add the “local” keyword to IDL sometime around 1999 or so to allow for easier local call optimizations). Note also that unlike the usual approach to defining WSDL, we never reverse-generated IDL from C++, Java, or any other programming language (though a questionable group eventually did come along and, trying to ride the Java popularity wave, define an OMG standard reverse IDL mapping for Java, despite strenuous objections from a number of us, including me). IDL also allowed for generating code in different programming languages for different parts of the same system. But the RPC roots of CORBA, its interface specialization requirements, and the inflexibility of the generated code, especially with respect to versioning, ultimately limited CORBA’s possibilities when it came to medium- to large-scale systems.

Proponents of definition languages seem to assert that such languages help with understandability. Such languages, they say, are required because they alone tell you how to invoke the service, what to pass to it, and what to expect in return. The problem with the way they make this assertion, though, is they make it sound like the application figures all that stuff out on its own with no human involvement. What happens in reality is that an actual human programmer sits down, reads the interface definition, more than likely reads some comments in the definition or a whole separate document that describes the interface in more detail, and perhaps even talks to the person who wrote the interface definition in the first place. Based on the knowledge gained, he then writes the application to call that interface. Similarly, with REST, you read the documentation and you write your applications appropriately, but of course the focus is different because the interface is uniform. Depending on the system, and assuming REST as implemented by HTTP, you might also be able to interact with it via your browser to help understand how it works, which I’ve found extremely valuable in practice (and yes, this works for application-to-application systems that are not designed primarily for browsers or human consumption). But ultimately, there’s no magic, regardless of whether or not you have a definition language.

What the proponents of definition languages seem to miss is that such languages are primarily geared towards generating tedious interface-specific code, which is required only because the underlying system forces you to specialize your interfaces in the first place. Keep in mind that specialized interfaces represent specialized protocols, and IDL was developed oh so long ago to generate the nontrivial code required to have RPC applications efficiently interact over such protocols, since back then computers and networks were far slower and less reliable than they are today, and getting that code right was really hard. When you have a uniform interface, though, the need to generate interface-specific interaction code basically goes away.

(BTW, the first IDL I ever saw was at Apollo, where it was used not only for RPC in the Apollo Network Computing System (NCS) but also to define Domain/OS header files once and generate them into their C and Domain Pascal equivalents, rather than writing and maintaining them twice, once for each language.)

Some REST proponents like WADL. I’ve looked at it but haven’t used it, so I can’t really comment on it. I’ve never felt the need to seek out a resource definition language of any kind for my REST work, at least to date. YMMV.

BTW, on a somewhat related note, I still use CORBA, contrary to what some jackasses out there would like you to believe. In some industries, certain CORBA interfaces are standardized and even legally enforced. In others, leading players have defined CORBA interfaces for 3rd-party integration. These interfaces work, so those companies and industries have no intention of changing them to another technology anytime soon, and in fact they simply have no need to change them at all. I’ve had to work within some of these CORBA scenarios lately, and I have to say I’ve found it to be fun, like meeting up with an old friend you haven’t seen in awhile. I’m sure many of these interfaces could be done better with REST, but they work as is, and there’s just no need to throw them out. Coincidentally Ryan spoke of CORBA when he responded to the commenter mentioned above. All in all, I remain proud of my CORBA work over the years, as we did a lot of good stuff back then, even if since then we’ve found simpler ways of doing a few things.


November 23rd, 2007  |  Published in commentary, design  |  Bookmark on

One of my favorite bloggers is Reg Braithwaite. He writes extremely well, and every one of his posts, even when he posts only links, is worth reading.

Judging from this comment Reg made on another blog, it seems that he’s being accused of being an absolutist, in this case regarding static typing. In that comment he writes:

I am going to challenge you now. I am not trying to provoke a fight, I honesty want YOU to go away and say hmmm. Why is it that you are trying to paint me as such an absolutist, that when I say “I like static typing but I’m currently achieving my personal goals with a dynamic language” that I must be against static typing?

and he summarizes his comment with this:

But I would encourage you to consider the possibility that others, such as myself, are not as rigid in their mindset. I’m very proud of the work I’ve done using some extreme “type torture” in C++ to impose constraints on programs. I’m also very proud of some of the work I’ve done in Ruby. I have no difficulty embracing each in its own way.

After all, one roadhouse can host both kinds of music, Country AND Western.

Reg’s comments really struck a chord with me; not only do I completely understand where he’s coming from, but I especially like the Blues Brothers reference as well. :-) Seems like anytime I post about my preferences for REST and dynamic languages, I receive a number of blog comments that are nothing more than unfriendly flaming rants accusing me of absolutism. It kinda makes me laugh, given that I use 3, 4, or 5 different programming languages almost every day, and can develop a wide variety of systems, especially distributed systems, using a fairly broad range of different techniques. Simply put, I’ve been in this career for way too long to be an absolutist, except perhaps for one thing: I absolutely believe every developer should be strong in multiple programming languages and multiple approaches because there’s no single language or technique that can do it all.

Actually, now that I think about it, here’s a couple more absolutes:

  • I moderate absolutely all blog comments.
  • I’m happy to post all reasonable comments that actually make a useful point, regardless of whether the writer agrees or disagrees with me. But if you try to post a rant, or try to turn a technical discussion into a pointless argument about absolutes, I can absolutely guarantee you that your comment won’t appear here.