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		<title>By: neil martin</title>
		<link>http://steve.vinoski.net/blog/2007/10/29/theres-no-hope-for-it/comment-page-1/#comment-711</link>
		<dc:creator>neil martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 08:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Who the hell wants to be average and who the hell wants average on there team anyway unless its to make the tea. Average just spends all its life complaining that the world expects to much from it. If average cant do the job then it should go and be a graphic designer or something. im royally sick of average.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who the hell wants to be average and who the hell wants average on there team anyway unless its to make the tea. Average just spends all its life complaining that the world expects to much from it. If average cant do the job then it should go and be a graphic designer or something. im royally sick of average.</p>
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		<title>By: Chipping the web - aleph to taw -- Chip&#8217;s Quips</title>
		<link>http://steve.vinoski.net/blog/2007/10/29/theres-no-hope-for-it/comment-page-1/#comment-353</link>
		<dc:creator>Chipping the web - aleph to taw -- Chip&#8217;s Quips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 19:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] You can never eliminate the programmer, you can only change the language. Instead of trying to automate programming, maybe you should empower it. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] You can never eliminate the programmer, you can only change the language. Instead of trying to automate programming, maybe you should empower it. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: REST vs. SOA: thoughts from a member of the unwashed masses &#124; thirdbIT</title>
		<link>http://steve.vinoski.net/blog/2007/10/29/theres-no-hope-for-it/comment-page-1/#comment-339</link>
		<dc:creator>REST vs. SOA: thoughts from a member of the unwashed masses &#124; thirdbIT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] have no recollection of how I ended up here: On the REST front, if you’re claiming that it’s harder than the alternatives, to me that’s [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] have no recollection of how I ended up here: On the REST front, if you’re claiming that it’s harder than the alternatives, to me that’s [...]</p>
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		<title>By: rubinelli</title>
		<link>http://steve.vinoski.net/blog/2007/10/29/theres-no-hope-for-it/comment-page-1/#comment-336</link>
		<dc:creator>rubinelli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Bill Burke: &quot;True. Java webflow sucks ass. That’s why I’ve avoided UI web programming like the plague.&quot;

Isn&#039;t this a vicious circle? If people that HATE writing web applications are the ones writing frameworks, won&#039;t they keep sucking?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Bill Burke: &#8220;True. Java webflow sucks ass. That’s why I’ve avoided UI web programming like the plague.&#8221;</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t this a vicious circle? If people that HATE writing web applications are the ones writing frameworks, won&#8217;t they keep sucking?</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
		<link>http://steve.vinoski.net/blog/2007/10/29/theres-no-hope-for-it/comment-page-1/#comment-330</link>
		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mathgladiator:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;The same could be said for any language. The quality of code is not measured in the language, but by the creator.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes, quality depends somewhat on the creator, but it depends on the language as well. If you&#039;re driving a normal Ford Pinto, you&#039;re unlikely to win the Indy 500 against other drivers using normal race cars, even if you&#039;re the best driver in the world. My point was that on average, people seem more prone to error in those languages.

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;Why would you hire an average developer?&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Now that&#039;s a great question! I personally would try to avoid such hiring, but I&#039;ve been told by some real live software development managers (with whom I do not work, thankfully) that they cut costs by all means necessary, including hiring average or even below-average developers, which they then hope to compensate for by restricting development to easy &quot;mainstream&quot; languages surrounded by lots of tools. Personally, I seriously doubt anything good could come of that approach.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mathgladiator:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>The same could be said for any language. The quality of code is not measured in the language, but by the creator.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>Yes, quality depends somewhat on the creator, but it depends on the language as well. If you&#8217;re driving a normal Ford Pinto, you&#8217;re unlikely to win the Indy 500 against other drivers using normal race cars, even if you&#8217;re the best driver in the world. My point was that on average, people seem more prone to error in those languages.</p>
<blockquote><p><em>Why would you hire an average developer?</em></p></blockquote>
<p>Now that&#8217;s a great question! I personally would try to avoid such hiring, but I&#8217;ve been told by some real live software development managers (with whom I do not work, thankfully) that they cut costs by all means necessary, including hiring average or even below-average developers, which they then hope to compensate for by restricting development to easy &#8220;mainstream&#8221; languages surrounded by lots of tools. Personally, I seriously doubt anything good could come of that approach.</p>
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